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Jack

“My name is Jack and I’m an Ex Mormon.”

When I was 19, I made one of the best decisions of my life, and left the LDS church. I had finally accepted that the part of me that was attracted to women was a beautiful part of me, and that I deserved an environment of respect and love. Although at the time I had hope the church would change it’s views and I could exist in their walls again some day, I knew what would be best for me, and that wasn’t to continue as an LDS member. When I was 20, my relationship with my girlfriend was suddenly revealed to several members of our very, very Mormon neighborhood, including my girlfriend’s family. The constant, longstanding abuse and manipulation received at the hands of people that had been close to us in the recent past, caused an enormous amount of stress to be put on me and on my girlfriend. And although I recognized that the LDS leaders were not directly to blame for the members’ bad behavior, I wondered about the effect that the Church had had on these members to have them act this way. It hurt to watch my girlfriend, a woman I deeply loved, being so directly harmed by the community that had, only a few months ago, always had their arms open. After finally moving away, I welcomed a chance to heal– but more changes were on the way.

Since I was a young child, I’ve quietly thought of my Self in male terms. I never quite felt right in my female body or my life. It was deep and intangible, and I didn’t have the language to consider it consciously until I was almost 21. As a young child, I thought I would, and desperately hoped I would, grow into a man. I was a staunch feminist, and did not necessarily mind being a woman if I was one, but I would think about how much I wanted facial hair, and to look like a man and to live as a man and how much I did not fit in. I felt that this was how it was- I was born with a female body, and that was it. I had no clue that I would be able to better match my body to my brain, my self.

At a Halloween party when I was 20, I finally got the chance to begin thinking consciously about my gender. A fellow female-to-male transgender student at my university had been on a panel I had seen. He had described being transgender and, curiously, most of what he had said described my experience with my sense of my gender spectacularly well. It was his party that I went to on Halloween.

For Halloween, I dressed up as a character in a favorite book. The character was a woman who would dress like a man and lived half her life as male. I did my best to dress like I was a man, and I didn’t do very well at it. I wasn’t convincing. My trans friend dressed up as a cop. He wasn’t dressing up as a man who was dressing up as a cop. Just a cop. And he definitely looked male. My reaction, a raging jealousy, shocked me. But the thought that kept running through my head: He will always have what I will always want, and never have. I knew that I wanted to live in this world as a man, and I suspected that I had felt this way for some time but it had always felt like an unreachable goal. The next few months were very confusing for me as I came to two conclusions.

It was around this same time that I was recommended the website Mormonthink.com. Mostly until then, my disagreements and disappointments with the Church leaders, doctrines, history and practices were based in a defense of human suffering. Reading Mormonthink, and discovering more well-cited information about the LDS church than I could possibly remember in my lifetime, I decided that based on the evidence I had, I did not believe the LDS church to be “true”. This occurred around the same time that, after several months of thought and education, I came to the conclusion that I was a transman, a man who was born with the body of a woman. Within a few months, I came out to my parents and siblings. My parents, devoutly LDS, have been loving and patient. I am very grateful for the love and kindness and respect that they have shown me and my partner. I have been on testosterone for over a year, almost always “pass” as male in public. I feel much happier and at peace.

My name is Jack and I’m an Ex Mormon.


Links that Jack recommends:

MormonThink

Welcoming our Trans Family and Friends (A support guide for parents, families and friends of transgender and gender non-conforming people)

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SS
August 20th, 2011 at 1:08 pm

Fantastic story, Jack. Congratulations on being happy! Yay! xoxo

gilljs
December 4th, 2013 at 2:07 pm

I only saw your video today Jack and until you said you were transgender I had thought you were a lad I was amazed,I hope that doesn’t sound rude, good luck to you

Rob
August 20th, 2011 at 1:15 pm

Wow! talk about having a twisted form of happiness! God did not make you a woman he made you a man! You need to seek psychological help!

res ipsa
August 20th, 2011 at 7:30 pm

“God did not make you a woman he made you a man!” What? Rob, I think you need to go back and watch the video or read the story again.

Dan Johnson (admin)
August 24th, 2011 at 3:38 pm

lol I thought the same thing when I read his comment 😉

Andy
March 3rd, 2012 at 1:46 am

LOL, so that’s what they call passing

Reverend Vazquez
December 19th, 2014 at 3:02 pm

I left the Church just this year, not just because the LDS church is false, but in how they hide what they really belief when it comes to gays, etc. After reading the post, it is sad to see the lack of kindness being posted on this forum, God is love, he loves all his children, gay, straight, bi, trans, etc. someone stated that they understand the plight of those born in the wrong gender body … think about that statement, I disagree, if God is perfect then father/mother in heaven made you they way you are, it is part of your test on earth, part of everyone’s test on earth to realize, that God if we read the Hebrew scriptures deeply we will understand that God is both male and female, the only thing that is imperfect is not following the two greatest commandments 1: Love God, 2. Love thy neighbor , we are all perfect in God’s eye because Christ die for us. The veil is opening up each year we get closer to the return of the Lord, are you ready to see him return ? be the Lord’s hands in the plane of existence ,show and demonstrate un-conditional love to all his children, we are related and one family – God’s Family his Kindon Come.

Just remember the Lords’s prayer :
OUR Father, who are in heaven .. it does not say in Aramaic Your, or My Father,.. it says OUR Father..

I leave you with the Lord’s Peace, and Say God Bless you all no matter your color, race, sexual orientation, just like I suffer from diabetes – was born with it, my cross to bear, that no matter what I do I can not change, neither can a person who is gay, etc. We should remove these titles and just know that we are all Human, God’s Perfect Creation.

Jack
August 21st, 2011 at 6:37 am

I agree- I am not a woman; I’m a man. :) The APA recognizes this as a legitimate condition and also says that for this condition, transition is medically necessary, and I have been to a therapist to discuss my feelings as a man in a woman’s body… so, I’m not sure what you hope for me to gain by seeking psychological help.

Tobin
August 22nd, 2011 at 1:12 pm

Jack,

I’m guessing Rob needs the psychiatrist a bit more than you do.

Tobin

Beckie
January 22nd, 2012 at 2:06 am

Rob your an idiot!!! this video is about female to male transgender modification not the other way around. And Jack is right love is the most beautiful thing in the world. God is love. You are the one who needs psychological help, not Jack.

Why don’t you take your sick, twisted and spiteful hate back to the church where is belongs.

Kathleen Jones
August 20th, 2011 at 5:17 pm

You just made me cry with happiness, Jack. I’m SO glad I know you! And I’m so glad you chose to stick around and teach the rest of us what living is!

p.s. @ Rob above. Someone doth protest too much? One day you’ll understand this. Probably when you own child comes out Gay or Trans. You , my friend, are showing us all that you have zero ability to walk in the light of Christ. God/christ or whatever you believe in, would pull Jack into it’s arms with love. You, it would probably say, “let’s work on your feelings, Rob”.

Kathleen Jones
August 20th, 2011 at 5:17 pm

p.s. Jack…hang on here friend, this may be a bumpy ride!

Rob
August 20th, 2011 at 8:35 pm

Yeah I meant to say “God made you a woman not a man!” There. Problem fixed. I will not apologize for my beliefs. Why do you think its ok to change the ex you were given to by God? He made you a woman for a reason. Everything God does is right. Its our own twisted thoughts and feelings that change us. Not God. I am tired of being told to “understand”. You folks oppress those who don’t approve of of your lifestyle choices and call us bigots. Even after all that I still love you! Doesn’t that say something???

Tobin
August 20th, 2011 at 10:57 pm

No :)

Hazel
October 15th, 2011 at 7:48 am

Here is a thought for you, Rob. :-)

I was born with a spine that grew crooked. It’s called a kyphoscoliosis. I was also born with legs that developed deformed as I grew up. There are people who are born with part of a parasitic twin attached to them, or people born with a cleft lip and palate. Now, often these people have surgery and other therapies to correct their deformities and enable them to live a better life.

Your argument says that we are created the way we are by God, and therefore that is the way we should stay, as He created us that way for a reason, right? So… would that mean a child with a hare lip, unable to eat/drink properly, should not have an operation to correct this, or someone with a severe club foot shouldn’t have therapies to enable them to walk properly and without pain, because God clearly meant for them to hobble about in terrible pain all their lives?

Gender dysphoria is a medical condition, Rob. Just like having a hare lip. We’re not born perfect, not all of us. We don’t develop perfect. I certainly didn’t. Things happen, whether that’s a problem in the genes, a problem with the expression of those genes, or something to do with the development of the foetus in the womb. It’s not completely known yet how trans people happen, but it may have something to do with prenatal hormone balance – foetal development is a very finely balanced system and anything different about it can cause huge change, potentially.

It’s just another medical condition, and if you’re cool with people having surgery and other interventions to treat skeletal deformities, you’re really got to be cool with trans peopel as well. Otherwise it’s just inconsistent.

From a theological point of view, did you ever think that maybe God did create Jack for a purpose, a purpose which included being trans? After all, if you believe in God then you believe that he creates people with club feet, right? Siamese twins, cystic fibrosis, cerebral palsy – all created by God for a reason, yeah? So why is gender dysphoria any different, when it’s a medical condition just like these are?

November 9th, 2011 at 5:00 pm

Pot, meet kettle.

“You folks oppress those who don’t approve of of your lifestyle choices and call us bigots.”

Citation needed. How are you being oppressed. You’re welcome to hold your beliefs and you are welcome to express them. Likewise, we are welcome to criticize them. If you don’t want to “understand,” I think that’s unfortunate, but it’s your decision. No one is trying to force you to live according to their moral compass. Can you say the same about the reverse?

Amanda
June 16th, 2012 at 3:31 pm

Well said, Patrick. Rob is not being oppressed until he loses a job for expressing as his gender, or gets death treats for wearing pants and tie, or is forced to express as female when he doesn’t want to be. that is oppression. Being offended is not oppression. If he wants to be a bigot, let him, as long as he doesn’t become violent or threaten/harass the people he’s bigoted against. We have the right to ridicule him for it, as long as we don’t threaten/harass him. And threaten as in threaten to hurt or kill him, not as in make him feel funny inside.
Jack, I’m proud of you and I’m glad you have the courage to not only leave the church and transition, but also to make a video and put it up here for all to see. That takes real balls! 😉 Many good wishes for you in your journey.

Beckie
January 22nd, 2012 at 2:08 am

Rob, you don’t know what love is! and if your so Enamoured with the church what are you doing on this site in the first place. You are one sick, twisted puppy and need serious help.

Andy
March 3rd, 2012 at 2:17 am

Rob, what abilities we have to change our gender — whether grooming and dress, hormone treatments, or even surgery — are as God-given as our bodies. If God made Jack a woman, might it not be so that he could become a man?

Indeed, if there is such a reason, surely it is so that he could tell this story of his transition — to enlighten his brothers and sisters — and to bring solace and hope to those suffering from being unable to realize their potential to love.

After all, God cannot be so weak that his plans could be foiled by a haircut and a testosterone prescription.

gilljs
December 4th, 2013 at 2:04 pm

Good job that god is just imaginary like the bogey man or wicked witch grow up Rob call yourself a christian you should be ashamed

Rob
August 20th, 2011 at 11:25 pm

Well thats sad. But heres some info: The majority of Americans are opposed to the homosexual movement which I must tell you is getting smaller. God says in the last days folks will give themselves over to sin and will leave the natural order and men will lay with men and women will lay with women and will be proud. This proves that God’s prophecy to be true. And this was predicted more than 2,000 years ago. I tell you folks this out of love.

August 21st, 2011 at 12:09 am

“The majority of Americans are opposed to the homosexual movement ”
Not anymore, Rob;
http://www.gallup.com/poll/147662/first-time-majority-americans-favor-legal-gay-marriage.aspx

“God says in the last days folks will give themselves over to sin and will leave the natural order and men will lay with men and women will lay with women and will be proud.”
Until you provide us with a) the source from which you are quoting this and b) data to substantiate your belief that this is taking place in greater numbers today than in any other point in history (good luck with that one, by the way), then I am going to have to call b/s on this statement.

Dan Johnson (admin)
August 24th, 2011 at 3:40 pm

Well said Harrison.

Me
November 17th, 2015 at 5:24 pm

The reference is Romans 1:27-32

jean
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:54 am

I used to feel just like you as a member of the LDS Church Rob. Before I left that abusive situation, I watched a documentary called Middle Sex and my eyes were really opened to the plight of those born in the wrong gender body. Why don’t you read up, educate yourself instead of listening to other people who only want to judge the so called ‘sin’?

There are even people who have xxy Chromosomes or xxxy or xyy. We don’t need to blame it on god; we don’t even need to place blame anywhere. Nature gives us a lot of varieties. Jack didn’t ask to be born that way.

What if all left handers were treated as badly as lgbt people? What if blue eyes were considered an aberration? What shall we do with them all? Make them change to the right hand and poke their eyes out?

Your words poke out the eyes of dear people whom you are supposed to love. Please go and get educated and then make a decision based on. When you have done that, come back and plead forgiveness for your sins for they are much greater than Jack’s.

3 Nephi 14:2

2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged; and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
1 Corinthians 13:1 1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

verse 11: 11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

Time to put away childish thoughts and think for yourself.

Hazel
October 15th, 2011 at 7:56 am

I’m not convinced that the majority of Americans are against people being gay, but let’s assume they are.

Are the majority always right?

In Saudi Arabia, Muslims are the majority. Are they right because they are the majority? I am guessing you would say that they are not.

Amanda
June 16th, 2012 at 3:34 pm

God says? So you talked to Him personally, then? I assume you mean the Bible says. Which is not the same thing. “The Bible is the word of God because it says its the word of God” is not proof. It’s circular reasoning. Take a critical thinking class.

tami2348
January 29th, 2015 at 10:25 am

Rob, Instead of judging Jack, maybe you should get your head out of the sand and get educated on this. There is plenty of information on the internet. Jack was born with this medical condition….He did not choose this.

Idaho Spud
August 21st, 2011 at 6:56 am

god didn’t make Jack anything because science has proven beyond any reasonable doubt that gods do not exist. gods were make-up by ancient people to try to explain things they didn’t understand.

Since I broke-out of my religious brainwashing, I’ve become much less judgmental and more accepting of what makes other people happy. I’m happy for you Jack.

Tobin
August 21st, 2011 at 11:21 am

“because science has proven beyond any reasonable doubt that gods do not exist.”

hehe – when you run into God, explain that to him. I think he’ll find it as funny as I do. :)

Tobin

Jack
August 21st, 2011 at 11:45 am

I don’t think science has necessarily disproven God’s existence, but do you have reliable evidence that does prove his existence?

Tobin
August 21st, 2011 at 11:54 am

Yes, very reliable. Just die. You’ll meet God and have a wonderful chat about how much he doesn’t exist. This life, as long or as short as it may be, is a time to prepare to meet God. It is inevitable and unavoidable.

Tobin

Jack
August 22nd, 2011 at 1:27 pm

Is that another way of saying, “No, Jack, I don’t have any reliable evidence.”?

Tobin
August 22nd, 2011 at 1:45 pm

You are welcome to seek God anytime you wish Jack. It is as if you had been born in a dark cave and lived there all of your entire life. One day, someone from outside comes in to your dave and describes a burning fiery sphere in the sky so bright that you can’t look at it. You simply can’t believe it and there is no way to convince you it is true – UNLESS, you choose to climb out of that cave and look for yourself. I invite you to climb out of your cave and seek God. I assure God is real. I’ve seen him myself and I was an atheist at the time.

Tobin

asdf
September 17th, 2011 at 10:38 pm

Okay guys, I think its time to finally tell Tobin about that whole “I am God” prank we played on him while he was tripping out on wild mushrooms back in New York.

Chad
August 21st, 2011 at 12:10 pm

You will regret not having lived your life according to the principles of ma’at in order to get to Osiris’ paradise. Ammit will laugh as he devours your soul. Change your ways and remember to be buried along with all of the belongings you want to symbolically take to the afterlife.

Tobin
August 21st, 2011 at 12:18 pm

I’ve never seen Osiris. I have seen God however. So I’ll pass. We’ll chat about this after you die and let’s see which of us is right about which God really exists. :) However, I seriously doubt you really believe in Osiris. In which case, I think it will be really interesting to see the look on your face as it dawns on you that – yes, there really is a God.

Tobin

Chad
August 21st, 2011 at 5:08 pm

Forgive my use of hyperbole to make a point. I don’t actually subscribe to the Egyptians’ silly objective evidence-lacking faith claims. In actuality, just like George Harrison, I have come to see and know Krishna. Don’t take my word for it, even George will tell you – all you really have to do is do the “Hare Krishna” chant until you attain Krishna consciousness. It’s really that simple. I really hope that you take the time to achieve purity through this method. Remember, it’s THE George Harrison that has said this. As a stranger, his experience still applies to everyone, and his sanctimony is justified. Even George will tell you that simply chanting the mantra will work miracles, like saving him from an inevitable jet crash. If that doesn’t constitute justified proof for me, I don’t know what will. It has done countless miracles for me as well. I will spill over with love for you and the universe when we meet Krishna together, even if it is you who is the surprised one.

Peace. Love. Hare Krishna 😀

Tobin
August 21st, 2011 at 10:56 pm

Chat – I guess George knows now doesn’t he? HE’S DEAD!!! Something each of us get to experience at the end of this life. Let’s hope you are right and chanting saves you (and saved George). :)

Tobin

Hazel
October 15th, 2011 at 8:03 am

“science has proven beyond any reasonable doubt that gods do not exist”

No it hasn’t. It can’t. You can’t prove a negative.

However, for a start, it’s not the job of non-theists to prove that a god does not exist. The theists are the ones making extraordinary claims, therefore the burden of proof is on them to prove it.

For another thing, it is true that science has not demonstrated the need for a deity. We know why earthquakes happen, we know why hurricanes happen. We’ve got most of the natural disasters sussed now. We know that praying, or doing rain-dances, or sacrificing virgins doesn’t make any observable difference in a statistically significant way. We have not identified anything at any point which could suggest the need for an external, more powerful influence.

This is not the same as proving that gods do not exist, but it’s true that nobody has found a need for that kind of entity at this point.

Mr. Agnostic
October 28th, 2011 at 9:29 pm

What if these “non existent” Gods make other people happy, will you let them be happy? Or will you tell them how you can prove that God doesn’t exist and crush their spirits? sounds judgmental to me

Acceptance…. really

Mr. Agnostic
October 28th, 2011 at 9:34 pm

@ Idaho Spud

Amanda
June 16th, 2012 at 3:40 pm

Well, actually, science can’t prove a negative. There can be no proof beyond a doubt that something doesn’t exist; there is just no evidence to support its existence. In practice it ends up being the same thing, basically, but you can’t really disprove God. You can, however, falsify all the ‘hypothesises’ that are put forward to ‘prove’ a God or Gods exist.
In the end tho, I don’t care if people believe something if it makes them happy. Until they start to push it on other people and use their invisible pink unicorn friend as a reason to oppress others and take away their happiness. Then we have a problem.

Chad
August 21st, 2011 at 12:12 pm

This is an incredibly courageous video. Kudos to you.

Mr. X
August 21st, 2011 at 12:19 pm

Science has proven a lot of things. What it hasn’t proven is if God exists. Just because science disproves what a very large portion of the world thinks God is or was, doesn’t mean that God doesn’t exist. Science has proven evolution to be true and has disproven the Book of Mormon. That doesn’t at all mean that God isn’t real. Do you see the connection? And I personally would like to take this moment to state that certain things in the Bible do seem to correlate to today, but take them with a grain of salt. That is only my opinion, even as a borderline atheist. What I do feel more than anything, however, is that life is complex and should be dealt with in its complexity. If I were to believe in the Bible fully, I might side with some crazy logic, much similar to the logic that Rob brings to the table. But I also would side with Jesus in showing compassion and empathy for others. My conscience tells me that I should love others and accept them, in spite of whatever dogma an individual might be preloaded with and burdened by. I think that even if you still continue to think that Jack was supposed to be a woman, you can still support and accept him, in spite of yourself. Even if you think the whole world’s going to burn for being almost purely homosexual, as you believe, you can still take comfort that you’re not and be happy finding friendship in and compassion for those who are. You see the point here? We need to stop being so offended that people don’t accept our point of view and let each other live. I know you say that you love Jack, but your statement rang very, very hollow to me. You could have found literally a thousand other places to express your bigotry instead of here. I don’t appreciate you coming here and saying what you said when he took time to express himself and clearly went out on a limb to expose himself publicly I would not do that myself and another video on this site of a man expressing himself with only the audio part playing demonstrates my point, the point being that this is not the place for you to come and shout out your public tirade. I would also like to state that my broither-in-law has a brother-turned-sister and the same kinds of things happened to her, namely having the distinct feeling that she was always a she. The church handbook of instructions denies temple recommends to such individuals, as I recall from reading it not too long ago. Such logic flies in the face of the atonement, the same for having married outside of the church. Is something like that literally so bad that once done, cannot be undone? I don’t understand the logic that certain actions supposedly cannot be undertaken, according to the church, or what you, (Rob), think to be the truth, especially when they can’t be undone without extreme damage, such as divorce, in the case of not marrying inside a religion, termed endogamy. I hope you find something worthwhile in my rant, cause it took me a while.

Tobin
August 21st, 2011 at 12:26 pm

“Science has … has disproven the Book of Mormon.” And the laughs just keep on coming. :)

I’d like to meet the “scientist” that proved that little thing. People have some really bizarre ideas about science.

Tobin

Jack
August 22nd, 2011 at 1:28 pm

Many of the historical claims made in the Book of Mormon, and in the surrounding story, have been disproven.

Tobin
August 22nd, 2011 at 1:32 pm

Such as?

November 9th, 2011 at 5:17 pm

Such as the pre-Columbian presence in the New World of barley, figs, grapes, wheat, donkeys, cattle, goats, horses, oxen, sheep, elephants (other than ice age mammoths and mastodons), brass, metal armor, chains, refined copper, steel, ore mining, swords, engraving, Cuneiform script, Hebrew script, Egyptian script, wheels, carriages, carts, chariots, or glass.

All of the above are explicitly described in the Book of Mormon. None of them have been found by archeology. Surely if the stories of the BoM were true, there’d be SOME evidence of the above, By any reasonable interpretation, the presence of the above has been effectively ruled-out unless and until new evidence arises.

Tobin
November 10th, 2011 at 12:10 am

Patrick,

Clearly you don’t know what you are talking about, so just give up. Scientists, archeologists and historians and so on don’t disprove religious texts, because it is a waste of time and makes them look unprofessional. That was my point and you just ran right in there with your hair on fire to clearly demonstrate that you have no qualifications in any of these fields either. Your attempt to disprove something religious and based on “faith” did make me laugh though. :)

Tobin

Tobin
November 10th, 2011 at 12:35 am

FYI Patrick. You’ll need to update your misinformation. Barley has been know since 1983 of being present in pre-Columbian America – Daniel B. Adams, “Last Ditch Archaeology,” Science 83, Dec., 1983. Also, there were 3 varieties of “wild” barley present prior to Columbus arriving. I just started with the first item you used in your list to show how silly this whole thing is. The easiest way to “disprove” the Book of Mormon in my opinion is read it and do what it says – pray to God and do what God tells you to do.

Tobin

john h. taylor
August 21st, 2011 at 3:50 pm

so why doesn’t god show himself once for all to clarify the matter to all of us? oh right…he’s busy starving kids in somalia or creating worlds just like this s***whole.

i love [naturally born] women. i’m not pro-gay; i’m not anti-gay BUT hat people do in their bedrooms is their own business.

if jack wants to be a man, so what with other people? let jack be happy. he looks like a teenage kid but he certainly fooled me.

peace. off.

Rob
August 21st, 2011 at 5:42 pm

Wow I let you folks rant and didn’t even bother trying to reason with you people. Trying to reason with you folks is like giving a drug addict money and making them promise not to use it on drugs! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA As for this not being the place for me to state my opinion might I remind you that folks like you go into OUR chatrooms, facebook pages and general conferences and spit out useless venom at us. It seems like you can dish it out but not take it. And since you all hate God might I remind you we almost had a solar flare that could have knocked out our space equipment. But thanks to God that didn’t happen. And homosexuals and trans genders are not oppressed because we straights are nopt allowed to marry people of the same sex either. Oh and regardless of how much sex changing surgery you get you will ALWAYS be the sex you were born with. I know that God is pure and he loves and judges us righteously and I say these things in the blessed name of Jesus Christ, AMEN! 😀

Tobin
August 22nd, 2011 at 2:16 am

This is why I can’t stand sacrament meeting. I want an electric zapper so when one of these guys get up front and spews stuff like this, I can sit back and shock them.

Tobin

tami2348
January 29th, 2015 at 10:31 am

Rob, You don’t get it and never will. I feel sad for you….
Jack, I admire your courage and am so happy that you are feeling at peace with who you are.

Shannon
August 21st, 2011 at 6:30 pm

I’m very happy that you found the courage to be who you really are, Jack. Thank you for taking the risk to share your story.

Jeffery
August 21st, 2011 at 7:22 pm

Thank you for sharing your story Jack!

Rob
August 21st, 2011 at 7:32 pm

Looks like 2 points for you 10 points for me and the good guys! PWNED!

Joseph S.
August 22nd, 2011 at 3:17 am

Rob or whatever your name is, if you are trying to make even more of a mockery of self hating, ignorant mormon by your actions you have succeeded and if that is winning for you then yes indeed you are the winner of the troll award. Remember that if you claim to speak in Jesus Christ’s name that one day you will held accountable to him for ALL your actions including these posts and the words you have chosen. If you truly do believe the teachings then you know that your actions and hate are wrong.

Jack congrats on being true to yourself and your path. Gay or Straight, transgender or cisgender we all deserve a life of freedom with or without religion. That a religion that prides itself on family would reject one of it’s own for wanting love is truly the greatest perversion of the divine.

Dan
August 21st, 2011 at 7:47 pm

Jack, thank you for sharing your story. I found it very touching!

Rob
August 22nd, 2011 at 11:55 am

Its you folks that are showing hate. Not me. I love you all so much that I tell you the truth and not lie. Ask any psychiatrist and they will tell you that the majority of transgender folks suffer from mental and psychological problems. I believe in God am considered a fool by you people. Did you know that God’s son Jesus Christ paid the debt for us? You folks should be thanking and praising him and not bashing him. Whether you like it or not he is returning soon and when he does you folks will have no excuse on why you didn’t repent. He will say you were told but didn’t listen. Sodom and Gommerrah has been found and its nothing but salt and toxic water. It looks exactly the way the bible described it as. A dark and deadly place. God destroyed EVERY living thing on that land because the sins were so great. God gave them chance after chance but still nothin. So God had to maje them face justice. I love you all! 😀

Emily
September 13th, 2011 at 10:23 pm

wow, THAT sure sounds like love…..

Amanda
June 16th, 2012 at 3:51 pm

IF its true that “the majority of transgender folks suffer from mental and psychological problems” (CITATION PLEASE!) , which I seriously doubt is true, I’ll bet you its mostly caused by oppression, rejection, and bullying by people like you. Its like saying “See! Gay teenagers commit suicide more often straight teenagers! That proves there is something wrong with them! Let’s oppress them some more!!” Instead of realizing how much your harassment is damaging them. What you are doing is not love. Its to make yourself feel superior to someone else.

Shantelle
June 25th, 2014 at 12:00 pm

Amen, Amanda!!

Tobin
August 22nd, 2011 at 12:25 pm

Rob,

Let me see here – you love us all, but if we don’t do what you say then God is going to come kill us. Is that about the gist of it?

Let me help you out a bit here. Yes, God is going to return in all his power and glory. That is inevitable. But, the thing you don’t understand is everyone and everything will burn. It will seem as though the earth is plunging into the Sun. The reason we ask people to seek the Lord and do what he says is so they may preserved when that day comes. Much as the people of Enoch were caught up before the world was flooded. The flood having been preordained and going to happen at that time not as a punishment for man, but as part of the natural evolution of this world into a celestial sphere. So, if I were you, I’d love everyone by showing your love of God, and you can best express that by being a good example and showing compassion and understanding to everyone.

Tobin

Rob
August 22nd, 2011 at 12:57 pm

Typical response. I do feel sorry for you folks thats why I tell you these things. I’ve witnessed your sides so called “love” a lot. When I lived in San Francisco, gay dudes tried to attack me for being a prop 8 supporter. Their effort was good but they ended up getting hurt. I disagreed with having a pride parade and was called a Bigot. So I asked them why we straights don’t feel the need to have a straight parade but homosexuals do and they had no clear answer. You see you only talk about the oppression towards you folks but not towards us. Oh and why do the LGBT and some straights feel the need to walk around almost naked during the pride parade? Thats gross. Please open your eyes and see the WHOLE picture and not just see your own. 😀

Tobin
August 22nd, 2011 at 1:04 pm

Rob,

Which side do you pretend to be on but your own? If we aren’t for you, we must be against you – is that it? Just an FYI Rob, I’m Mormon – go to church – and I’ve even seen God. Something you probably haven’t done. I’m just trying to help you out, but you seem too bigoted and egotistical to see it. Man, I really want that zapper about now.

Tobin

Eric
August 22nd, 2011 at 1:55 pm

Jack, I am an ex-mormon as well and was very touched by your story. I appreciate your courage and wish you the best on your path. I am glad to hear your family has been supportive, I also enjoy good relationships with my parents and siblings and that has been priceless for me. I was much older than yourself when I reached a place where I was able to love and accept myself and be free from guilt and fear. Enjoy your life and be happy, love and blessings,
Eric

Rob
August 22nd, 2011 at 4:23 pm

@Tobin

I’m not bigoted and I to am a Mormon. Let me ask you a question: If homosexuality is natural why didn’t God declare it in the pre-mortal existence or when he made the world? Think about it. Put away your ego and just think for a moment. Actually think. Why would God call homosexuality a “Grave sin”? If its not bad then he wouldn’t have said it. and why when other nations become pro-gay do their economies suddenly get bad? I’m just asking you to think.

Tobin
August 22nd, 2011 at 6:39 pm

Rob,

Let me help you some more (though I really don’t think you’ll believe me). Being a homosexual, bi-sexual, or transgender or whatever is NOT a sin. It is how God made you and the sooner you get in touch with who and what you are, the better. I think you confusing one’s sexual preference with the sin of promiscuity. The REASON god tells us not to sin is it is derived ultimately from habit and selfishness and leads to the degradation of one’s character, inhibitions, and can cause others and yourself to suffer. Promiscuity is what God is trying to teach us to avoid for obvious reasons such as the spread of disease, the hurt feelings that often is engendered by doing this, and so on.

Now, the other thing I’m sure that you understand is that God wants us to be happy and to experience all of life’s pleasures and sometimes some of its misfortunes (but even in that there is sometimes joy). I find having children and raising them and teaching them right from wrong and helping them reach their full potential brings me both. I would wish that joy for everyone else – no matter how they were born or who they are. That is the purpose of life after all – to be. And we should cherish one another and be understanding and be kind to each other for however long we have in this world. Life is hard enough and there is lots of suffering, we don’t have to pile our biases and hateful acts on top as well and can alleviate some of that by being good people.

Tobin

jean
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:04 am

I’m not saying it wouldn’t be weird to have my granddaughter become my grandson but life is full of surprises and I would love and continue to enjoy being with him anyhow.

Jack, I’m so proud of you for accepting yourself and I hope that you will continue to enjoy love and acceptance as the man that you are. If you ever need a proud grandma…

jon
February 18th, 2012 at 3:14 am

How did SHE accept herself?

Devin
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:24 am

Responses to Rob
Aug. 20 at 1:15
When I told the church and my parents I was gay, the response of the church was to send me to counseling. The church wanted me to be something that I was not – something unnatural to me. Ask my ex-wife how well this worked out. A woman’s touch causes me so much anxiety that I have no control over. It’s extremely unnatural!
Aug. 20 at 8:35
“Everything God does is right.” Really? Then the god you believe in must be quite malevolent. He would be in control of where and how people are born. He chooses then to allow people to be starving, disease ridden, subject to wars, crimes, torture, etc. And if he was so right, he wouldn’t have created a religious like Mormonism that is so easily proved wrong. Unfortunately for you, this is a fact, not an opinion. Just because the leadership and membership of the church are able to rely on what they see as plausible doubt, any physical assertion made by Mormonism is falsifiable – which would follow that any spiritual assertion made by Mormonism cannot stand up to scrutiny.
Aug. 20 at 11:25
Prophecies made in the New Testament are vague enough to compare with modern day, newspaper horoscopes. If you want to read them as fulfilled, that is up to your individual discretion. Plus, they believed when they were making these predictions they would occur before those alive would have passed away. Also, to assert that homosexuality is a new thing is quite ridiculous. And, homosexuality is quite natural. In some species, like the black swan, babies raised by homosexual parents have a greater chance of survival.
Aug. 22 at 11:55
Do you even know according to the Bible what the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah was? Ezekiel 16:48-50 makes it clear (if you are going to use the Bible as a source of truth): “As I live, saith the Lord GOD, Sodom thy sister hath not done, she nor her daughters, as thou hast done, thou and thy daughters. Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good.” There is no mention of homosexuality. In fact, the Bible is fairly void of talk about homosexuality – 6 or 7 verses. Jesus says nothing about it. And, not a single word is written in all of Mormon scripture. This is a HUGE plus for Mormonism as it will be able to use this fact when it changes its stance and accepts homosexuality. It changed its stance on Blacks and the priesthood which went against its own scripture.
Aug. 22 at 12:57
A great deal of research into morality has been done. One of the primary ways in which we make moral decisions is based on what disgusts us. This makes sense as disgust as a natural defense mechanism would keep us living longer (e.g., think about rotten meat). It’s not that homosexuality is spiritually wrong for you; it’s simply that homosexuality disgusts you. Neither my fiancé or I flaunt and walk around nearly naked. In fact, I’ve never been to a pride parade. Not all Mormons are alike. Not all gays are alike.

Rob
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:48 am

So you folks are “proud” that SHE is living as a HE? Talk about being twisted. How come you folks never praise righteousness? Heres something I found out: The reason folks change their sex is because they are ashamed to be gay. Its the truth ya know. I know these things are true and I say this in the name of Jesus Christ, AMEN! 😀

Devin
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:57 am

Gender does not equal orientation. I have a friend who is transitioning to being the gender that is inside her. She is attracted to women. This will not change. So it seems that she’ll be a lesbian when her transition is complete.

You are simply talking about things that you don’t understand and feel that you are an authority on the subject. I used to know everything too when I was a Mormon.

I do not understand many things that are associated with LGBT. I don’t understand why some people cross dress. I don’t understand what it feels like to be in the wrong body. I really don’t understand why some women are attracted to women (it’s really foreign to me). However, what I do understand is that I know that I’m gay. I know that I do not fit the straight mold; so I’m able to reach outside myself and acknowledge that it’s okay not to understand why some people are the way they are and accept that.

So, yes! I applaud that Jack is living authentically!

Tobin
August 23rd, 2011 at 12:28 pm

Ugh. Don’t encourage him.

john h. taylor
August 24th, 2011 at 2:38 am

Jack, way to go man! i’m glad for you that you chose your own path. again, i’m no gay, no pro-gay; no anti-gay. i love women. but you are your own person and you don’t let anybody to dictate what you want. right on.

Haha…when Rob talks i feel like i’m watching Charlie Brown’s show, yeah the one with snoopy …hahahaha….

when the teacher talks….wah wah wah wah..wah. wah wahwah? wah wah wah wah wah. wah wah! waaaah. wah wah wah wah. wahwah wah. wahwah. waaah wah.

Rob you are just a little boy insecure of his own sexuality and beliefs. probably you don’t get any action at home either. were you abused when growing up? did they shake you when you were a a baby? i feel sorry for you. you have a big ego. you a deep blind trust on your organization. what are you so afraid of? you talk and talk and talk but there’s nothing of substance. you contribute nothing except to uplift your own ego.

still you haven’t shown me where zarahemla is on the map. let’s go visit!
still you haven’t told me how there were horses before the spaniards.
still you haven’t explained how the holy ghost mislead and lied to smith into translating a papyrus under the brand “the book of abraham”.
still you haven’t explained to me polyandry of smith, young, and the rest of the crooks.
..
..
yes, i make fun of you, your god, and your cult. there’s nothing to be respected or recognized about any of you.

people please . please. DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS. i repeat. DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS.

Rob
August 24th, 2011 at 7:47 am

Oh John your sooooo funny. The Bible says folks like you will REVILE and HATE us. You remind me of that kid in the playground talking trash to someone and then running away scared when that person gets mad and starts to come after him. LoL When the Savior returns you will know that I was right.

Now if you don’t mind I got to get ready for work.
PEACE!

john h. taylor
August 24th, 2011 at 10:33 pm

yeah…sure. when the lord comes he says…

in the old testament he was all tough telling people to do social cleansing…
in the new testament he was a wuss and whimp that could not even save himself after his father turned him in.

now it looks like he’s back into old testament mode!!

well, perhaps when he’s done starving kids in africa; when he’s done helping cults victimize “his” little children; when he’s stops being a beggar asking for my filthy dollar; when he’s done using the people’s money to build shopping malls.

and his father; yes, our loving heavenly father. he gets a virgin pregnant. hands her over to joseph. he takes care of her and the bastard child. no child support to speak of. then, our heavenly father facilitates the process of getting his only son murdered.

way to go! what a family of crooks! then he calls a con man, child molester, marrying women already married to other men to lead his only true church.

what a family!! what a family!

peace. off.

Rob
August 25th, 2011 at 10:28 am

@John you are such a misguided fool. You wear your stupidity like a cloak of human excrement. You are so full of it its not even funny. LoL
Thanks for showing you are a true idiot.
PEACE!

john h. taylor
August 25th, 2011 at 11:47 am

@rob – haha…and thanks for showing your true colors as a christian.

especially when you cast your apocalyptic judgment upon us. i love that preacher tone like. i totally picture you screaming from the pulpit…”lake of fire this, lake of fire that” wah wah wah wah wah wah…

isn’t it weird how most ‘christians’ are like that?

what happened to the mercy unto others rob? do not judge others? be kind to others? what happened to forgiveness of 70 times 7? what happened to charity? what happened to love?

the more i talk to christians, the more i realize they broadcast satan’s plan which is to have everybody think the same so nobody gets lost. it’s not by force so much now a days; but certainly by imposing fear on people’s minds that they carry out their true Master’s ideas.

nothing more than “wolves dressed as sheep”

Bo
August 25th, 2011 at 12:05 pm

@John you are such a misguided fool. You wear your stupidity like a cloak of human excrement. You are so full of it its not even funny. LoL
Thanks for showing you are a true idiot.

now that sounds like someone that is full of love for everybody.

Mark
August 25th, 2011 at 1:13 pm

I may be wrong, but at 38, I’m guessing I may be older than many who visit this site, or at least than those who comment in such a way as the posts above. So here is my advice from any wisdom I may have gained since I was 19, as Jack is. If you can’t comment with respect and evidence to back your statements or beliefs, or if you can’t supply a link to another site that helps in that, hold your comment to yourself. Religion and sexuality are very tough issues to discuss with people you love, much less with people you have never met on a website.

In direct response to Jack’s experience, I’ll say that I have always had mixed feelings on homosexuality. In my experience with gay or transgender friends, relatives or acquaintances, it seems to me that some of ‘it’ might come 1) from a life experience such as abuse or witnessing bad relationships of parents or something; 2) that some of it might come from an understanding of sexuality itself — meaning one might not trust their sexual feelings to the opposite sex, but might to a close friend, which then might lead to a homosexual experience; 3) that it is a psychological disorder that can be ‘cured’; and 4) that some people are just born this way.

Jack seems to me to fall into #4. And here’s why I think this. I have three boys, all of whom are very different from each other. I was witness to their births, and can tell you with certainty in my head and heart that they were born to be who they are. In other words, God did know them before they were born (I’m not a Mormon, by the way, nor am I really even a Christian since I don’t believe Jesus was the Son of God). This will be the first time I’ve said or thought this, but I do believe God does not make mistakes … in that he creates a perfect soul that can always be restored to it’s pure nature, both in life, and possibly in death. But even if God actually created us in his image, he did not actually create our bodies. Our parents did that through a sexual act, in which many variances, and mistakes if you will, occur.

I don’t personally like to hear young people thinking they’ve figured things out about life, but I do encourage people like Jack to be true to themselves, and to stay openminded about themselves, about others, about God, and about life in general.

Love and peace to you all.

Zammsmom
August 27th, 2011 at 1:20 am

Jack,

YOU DA MAN! You rock, buddy! This took balls… and look, you did it, so YOU HAVE ‘EM! lol

All kidding aside, I’m very proud of you for making this video. Thank you for being honest. Thank you for not killing yourself! Thank you for sharing your story so that other people could learn.

(((hugs)))

Gretchen

wayne carlson
August 28th, 2011 at 7:32 pm

I thought you were a guy until you said you were transgender. Fooled me.

Lori
September 7th, 2011 at 2:31 pm

He IS a guy.

Peter
August 29th, 2011 at 12:29 am

Rob, please don’t quote the bible here – it’s nonsense:
http://www.biblicalnonsense.com

robert gorman
September 7th, 2011 at 11:38 am

Don’t worry. Transgender will never be accepted because its a mental disorder. A person who turned straight told me that the REAL reason why folks try to change their sex is because they are ASHAMED of their homosexuality. Its so true. May God bless and save you.

Lori
September 7th, 2011 at 2:30 pm

Your source sounds incredibly legitimate, however the American Psychological Association and the American Medical Association have both recognized transgenderism as a legitimate condition separate from homosexuality, and that the appropriate medically necessary treatment is to transition (i.e. change your body to better match your identity)… and honestly, I’d take the word of the APA and AMA over a shamed human being any day!!

Eddie Fossler
September 7th, 2011 at 11:43 pm

Hi Jack! I’m so glad and happy for you and while I can’t even begin to imagine how it must have been for you growing up feeling that way, I will say I know how it feels to have no hope of ever being truly happy at a very young age. And being able to finally let that hopelessness go and embrace a new life full of love and acceptance from the people that genuinely care about you. It’s amazing!! And it makes me so happy to read about your story and know that someone else was able to move forward in life, and become the person that they feel they have always been on the inside. Enjoy life brother!

And to all of you people who are going on about this archaic, ancient, misinterpreted, backward, dusty, caveman-style dogma that should have been put to rest alongside the Greek gods; please just keep your simple little opinions to yourselves. I come to this sight to read about people growing and letting go of fear, not holding on to it, like some scared child who holds on to his blankie at night. This is the grown-up table. The kiddie table is your churches. Keep your hate in your church where it belongs.

jesus smith
September 9th, 2011 at 11:47 am

…and what happened to bob?

is he still scared in his bedroom holding a crucifix and a bible while looking outside the window with judgmental eyes the people that pass by?

just wondering…

@jack – bro…how do you deal with such people, such ignorance? i really admire your patience and positive attitude. i also really admire the fact that you accept yourself for who you are.

Eddie
September 9th, 2011 at 2:08 pm

Word up, Jesus Smith. Hey, you related to Mrs. Smith? She makes the best cookies!

jesus smith
September 9th, 2011 at 4:12 pm

i am actually. nice cookies huh..
but nothing like fannie alger’s goodies let me tell ya..

;*)

robert gorman
September 10th, 2011 at 4:37 pm

You folks couldn’t make me laugh any harder! Hey Jack you ARE a woman no matter what you folks say harshly towards me and no matter how much surgery you get Jack you will ALWAYS be a woman! I can tell your a woman now. Its so simple. Look at your face and the way you comb your hair. You need to accept the fact that your a woman and get yourself some psychological help.

Jack
October 26th, 2011 at 8:39 am

Actually, I usually don’t comb my hair… which i guess would make me a teenage boy.

Jackisloved
September 11th, 2011 at 12:00 am

Anyone need help translating words typed by this rob character?
Here you go: blah blah blah blah blah

robert gorman
September 12th, 2011 at 1:01 pm

Jack sure is loved. God loves HER so much that he gave us his only begotten son that whosoever that believes in him shall not perish but have everlasting life. You are a WOMAN because thats what GOD made you. God made you perfect as a woman and it was your own lustful thoughts that made you feel like a man. Ask yourself why so many transexuals commit suicide even when they are accepted by friends and family. Ask yourself why. And then ask yourself why and how GOD can actually make a mistake. He makes no mistakes ever.

Tobin
September 12th, 2011 at 3:26 pm

I can think of one mistake he may have made. It is on the tip of my tongue … starts with ‘R’. :)

kat
March 14th, 2012 at 3:03 am

you know why they commit suicide? it’s because of bigots like you that constantly tell them they are wrong, when THEY are the ones right vs. the judgemental and paranoid bigots.

Catherine
September 12th, 2011 at 4:58 pm

HEY ROBERT:

“There is no need to argue or contend with others regarding our beliefs. There is no need to become defensive or belligerent.”
~~M. Russell Ballard, 2008, from an address entitled “Sharing the Gospel Using the Internet”

Isn’t M. Russell Ballard an apostle? Seems to me you are being a very naughty, disobedient member. I think you should make an appointment with your Bishop for this very week.

robert gorman
September 12th, 2011 at 9:18 pm

Your concern is noted but I’m just fine. I stand by what I say and I say it in LOVE.

James
September 13th, 2011 at 3:50 am

It’s obvious that robert needs some love.

Emily
September 13th, 2011 at 10:35 pm

WAY TO GO JACK! dont listen to any of these dickheads! your you and your awesome!

Brian
September 14th, 2011 at 1:50 am

Thanks for your story Jack. Very inspiring.

I like your style with how you respond to people ignorant of transgender. You state the facts and your own story with class. I use to be one of those ignorant people and thanks to people like you I’m not anymore.

You rock.

robert gorman
September 14th, 2011 at 7:47 am

Watch the profanity emily.

robert gorman
September 14th, 2011 at 4:30 pm

Show me anywhere that GOD says transgender is accepted by him. PLEASE.

Catherine
September 14th, 2011 at 5:52 pm

The scriptures don’t mention transgender… I guess God didn’t think it as important a subject as stoning prostitutes or how to properly slaughter cattle.

However, you may find THIS scripture of interest: 3 Nephi 14:1 And now it came to pass that when Jesus had spoken these words he turned again to the multitude, and did open his mouth unto them again, saying: Verily, verily, I say unto you, Judge not, that ye be not judged.

robert gorman
September 14th, 2011 at 7:52 pm

He was talking about UNRIGHTEOUS judgement.

Catherine
September 14th, 2011 at 8:58 pm

No Robert… if he was talking about UNRIGHTEOUS judgement it would SAY unrighteous judgement. Don’t you remember? The Book of Mormon is the most perfect book ever. Right?

It simply says “Judge not, that ye be not judged.” You can’t stick words in here and there into the scriptures to suit your bigoted hatred. But nice try.

Maybe you’d do well to focus more of your efforts on the “love thy neighbor” commandment.

john h. taylor
September 15th, 2011 at 12:06 pm

wow catherine..awesome…..i think i’m a bit turned on by you right now…

;*)

sunspot.a51 at gmail dot com

and rob? fuck off !

Ethan
September 15th, 2011 at 12:36 pm

How is sexual dyslexia any different than anything we commonly see?

robert gorman
September 15th, 2011 at 2:15 pm

Because sexual dyslexia is part of sexual sin. Its all in the same category. Oh and John GROW UP. LoL

Catherine
September 15th, 2011 at 5:47 pm

Ya Ethan… didn’t you know that? It’s in that little-known book in the scriptures called The Book of Robert. Thomas S. Monson found it buried under a rock when they were digging the foundation for the new City Creek Mall and Boyd K. Packer helped him translate it by sticking his face in a BYU football helmet. That’s the same part of the scriptures that explains all about righteous and unrighteous judging and when all the prophets proclaimed that God doesn’t like transgendered people… in the Book of Robert the prophet stands on a wall and proclaims the glorious gospel of bigotry, sexism, closed-mindedness, and love for all nations — especially the white and delightsome ones.

James
September 15th, 2011 at 11:38 pm

bravo catherine! you certainly made my day.

robert gorman
September 16th, 2011 at 5:36 pm

Catherine you really are a bigot aren’t ya? LoL

Catherine
September 17th, 2011 at 10:43 am

Only towards bigotted people, Robert. I love everyone else… gay, bi, straight, queer, athiest, buddhist, jew, christian, black, yellow, red, girls, boys… you name it.

I’m all for tolerance, respect and inclusivity.

But, ya, I totally can’t stand those bigots. I’m bigotted towards bigots.

kat
March 14th, 2012 at 3:07 am

i’m a bi woman and even i have a chick hard on for you right now, catherine. seriously. you have some huge woman-balls. i think i’m in love. *fans self*

LOOK AT ROBERT! bringing together all these gay/bi/trans/straight people! you should seriously start a LBGT dating site, rob. really!

robert gorman
September 17th, 2011 at 5:37 pm

I’m no bigot. You are. LoL God is my king I fear him not you. LoL

res ipsa
September 17th, 2011 at 9:52 pm

I vote for Catherine for poster of the year.

john h. taylor
September 19th, 2011 at 12:57 am

but you know what…not sure why but i sort of like rob now…he’s a prick (and proud), he makes me laugh with his stupid rhetoric, he has a weird “doctrine” and a condescending way of conveying his point, he’s dumb and yet persistent on his silly judgments. he reminds of isaac from children of the corn.

i think rob is the poster of the year for making the most absurd goddamn comments. ever.

rob..btw…have you talked to your doctor? why oh why didn’t you stay on your meds?

i love you buddy. get well. i mean that. put that bible of yours on the side and take those pills already. it’s ok. gog and magog, armageddon will come to all sinners. don’t worry. shhh sshh..go to bed bro. relax. relax. it’s ok. relax.

claire
September 20th, 2011 at 10:31 pm

I see quite a bit of biblical mumbo jumbo as a reaction to Jack’s bio but if those people who are so insulted by it could only imagine what is was like to be in his place they would see right through their bitter words. Its nothing but bullying and pomposity. But you know what, live and let live- so if bullying people on the internet makes you feel big, have fun with that.

By the way, this is not meant to be an attack on anyone and I’m not arguing about religion but about the treatment of fellow human beings.

I think its such a shame people use religion as a means to try to oppress one another and to adhere to ignorance.

robert gorman
September 24th, 2011 at 11:51 am

And exactly how are you people being oppressed? You folks like to insult and judge those who live righteously.m You come to our general conferences and temple dedications and other stuff and you also bother those who are conservative and you cry about being oppressed? Shame on you!

John
September 25th, 2011 at 1:07 pm

I reserve judgment on gays and lesbians because they seem so sincere in saying that they were born that way. Sure, some are abused as children and it could lead to “abnormal” sexual behavior as an adult, but I’m talking more about the people that were never abused, but always felt attracted to the same sex. I’m fine with accepting that they are gay or lesbian.

The idea of transgender people is a bit different. In the end, everyone is free to live their life the way they want to, just as I’m free to have opinions and live my life the way I want to. One of the above posters mentioned that transgender people are often diagnosed with mental conditions and traumas. This is absolutely true. I don’t know if every single one is, but from what I’ve read, most are if they go to a psychiatrist. Genital mutilation is a sad way to go in order to feel good about yourself. Still, I can’t imagine going through enough anguish to want to have sex change surgery. Those must be some heavy feelings there, bro.

claire
September 26th, 2011 at 12:38 am

Theres a difference between “genital mutilation” and “sexual reassignment surgery”, however I agree with what you said in that “everyone is free to live their life the way they want to”. Exactly!
Also I wanted to point out that is it really a sad thing if someone ends up actually being happier than before? Seems to me Jack is doing very well.

As for “robert” I don’t really understand your comment and I’m going to choose to ignore it because it doesn’t make any coherent sense.

As I said I’m not attacking anyone in my previous comment, simply defending the right of giving and receiving respect. After all, being “made in gods image” as some christians believe, endows people with an inherent venerableness. You can see the authenticity of Jack in his video here, what other proof is there? Give people the respect they deserve and take them seriously. Jack has gone through a lot and is now happy, and so it really pains me to see people trying to ruin that for him. Not that you will be successful, hes lived enough I’m sure that he’s above what I call mindless bullying.

robert gorman
September 26th, 2011 at 5:51 pm

Oh wow Claire your giving me the urge to do a youtube video response. Look for it to be up next week!

KassieSan
September 28th, 2011 at 12:37 am

not that it will do anythign to the troll stink around here but…….

I’m very proud of you Jack! Most of the time trans people are MUCH more ‘adjusted’ than their ‘normal’ counterparts. (at least every person I’ve ever met).
This is not an easy road to walk. I would think more people on post-mo would be VERY understanding about this.

BTW God didn’t make them anything since there is no proof for anything other than SCIENCE AND GENETICS which random combined genes which can spit out the wrong combination for the individual sometime.

Jack is a brave and wonderful person whom I respect (and know and love) for taking the journey to be who HE is, without regret or shame.

pretty sure the rest of you yahoos can go join the rest if the lemmings off a cliff somewhere. 😛 *thhuppttt*

KassieSan
September 28th, 2011 at 12:40 am

I also invoke the wrath of His noodley appendages, the flying spaghetti monster, on the rest of your for your blasphemy and denying HIS existence because you can’t prove HE doesn’t exist either. 😛
for me…I’d much rather take stripper factories and beer volcanoes over heaven and harps. 😛

john h. taylor
September 29th, 2011 at 1:03 pm

stripper?

ok you got my attention now…keep going sweetie.

robert gorman
September 29th, 2011 at 8:15 pm

Wow and you people say I’m full of hate! Your hatred is so thick I can cut it with a knife. Stripper” God calls whoredom evil. LoL

john h. taylor
September 30th, 2011 at 11:37 am

[oh god..rolling my eyes] we love you rob. don’t worry. jesus will avenge you with all his wrath and ….things.

now KassieSan sweetie…you were saying?

jay
October 4th, 2011 at 4:21 pm

Jack, I just wanted to say that I’m so, so happy for you that you’ve been able to come to a place of self-love, and that you are now living your life with joy and integrity. Congratulations!

David Fleetwood
October 21st, 2011 at 12:44 am

Jack –

Congratulations on finding yourself. I wish you well, and please ignore the ones who know nothing but hatred for anything they do not understand. After the tragedy from the teenager in the “It Gets Better” campaign I worry about those willing to put themselves out there, that it might be a cry for support. If you need it, please just ask, we are out here and we will support you.

Other than that I wish you happiness in life from the great Pacific Northwest. 😉

-David

PS: Catherine wins this thread hands down.

Bob
November 11th, 2011 at 12:13 am
Jack
November 21st, 2011 at 9:48 am

The way homosexuality is described in this is pretty outdated. “[E]ven a desirable form of sexual outlet”?

The American Psychological Association defines sexual orientation as “an enduring pattern of emotional, romantic, and/or sexual attractions”, and goes on to say, “Sexual orientation is distinct from other components of sex and gender, including biological sex (the anatomical, physiological, and genetic characteristics associated with being male or female), gender identity (the psychological sense of being male or female),* and social gender role (the cultural norms that define feminine and masculine behavior).” — something the author, Gary Lawrence, continues to confuse with each other–, and, most importantly, “Sexual orientation is commonly discussed as if it were solely a characteristic of an individual, like biological sex, gender identity, or age. This perspective is incomplete because sexual orientation is defined in terms of relationships with others. People express their sexual orientation through behaviors with others, including such simple actions as holding hands or kissing. Thus, sexual orientation is closely tied to the intimate personal relationships that meet deeply felt needs for love, attachment, and intimacy. In addition to sexual behaviors, these bonds include nonsexual physical affection between partners, shared goals and values, mutual support, and ongoing commitment. Therefore, sexual orientation is not merely a personal characteristic within an individual. Rather, one’s sexual orientation defines the group of people in which one is likely to find the satisfying and fulfilling romantic relationships that are an essential component of personal identity for many people.”

These are not heterosexual people with homosexual “struggles”.

Kendra
November 27th, 2011 at 2:30 am

Jack- first of all, I want to say that I admire and respect you- it took a lot of courage to do what you did. Your honesty and sincerity is refreshing.
My purpose isn’t to argue or try to convince anyone of what I believe. When I was reading through this blog, I was reminded of a blog that I’d like to pass on. It’s about loving each other, not necessarily in the sense of abandoning our beliefs to make each other happy, but extending a hand of friendship none-the-less. I think this guy has a lot of good stuff to say:

http://www.danoah.com/2011/11/im-christian-unless-youre-gay.html

I share this as a Christian, coming from an opposite perspective on homosexuality and such. None the less, it is heartbreaking to me that people shunned you, rejected you. I just want to say that I believe that breaks God’s heart, that we’re all sinners and have nothing to boast above each other, he died for us all. I want to “extend that hand of friendship” to you, and to everyone else here that feels differently than I do about this. I’m sorry for sometimes being part of the noise, instead of stopping to listen. Heck, I’m sorry for all the Christians that have made everything worse instead of better. It goes both ways, but ultimately…I wanted to say thanks for sharing, and I do hope that through conflict, we can all work and grow towards respecting each other more.

kat
March 14th, 2012 at 3:20 am

HOLY CRAP YOU MEAN IT’S AN ACTUAL CHRISTIAN?

i think… i think i may be in shock. oh man… i don’t think i can process this… an ACTUAL good and loving christian. i’m pagan as all get-out, and sometimes i’m peeved that you christians stole all of your holidays from the pagans.. but man. i respect a true christian when i see one. hats off to you, sister. wow. you are a true christian if i’ve ever seen one… and i can count you guys on one hand.

KD
December 4th, 2011 at 7:07 pm

Jack,
I’m not one to usually make comments, especially after such ridiculous banter. But if there is a chance you will read it, it makes it worth the writing. This is for you, so no need for others to countercomment.
Don’t listen to the negative comments. Until someone has lived through the anguish and struggle of not feeling complete in your own skin, they have no legitimate place to judge your decisions. I commend you. You are brave and strong and will do wonderful things with your life.
Believe it or not, I’m a temple card carrying Mormon. Yes, there are those of us out there who can openly embrace the crazy complexities of this human experience without judgment. I am also a sex therapist and do research on the whole range of diverse sexual identities and behaviors. So as a professional, as an academic, and as a Mormon I say to you, “You are a beautiful man who simply took a few extra years to match your body with your soul.” I wish you all the happiness, joy and peace throughout your life. And I hope for you all of your family and friends will rejoice with you during your time of transition. And the God I believe in rejoices in your joy and peace.

Jack
January 15th, 2012 at 9:24 am

Thank you, KD. I wish I could tell you how much this touched me this morning. Thank you for your kindness.

Jack

Karena
December 9th, 2011 at 7:44 am

Jack,

If you were my son, I would be so proud. I have two children that I embrace everything about them. Your story gives me hope that the trials they face as we transition out of Mormonism will make them better, stronger. Your story is of hope and courage. Thank you for sharing.

Marie
January 18th, 2012 at 10:26 am

I’m surprised, Jack, that you would deny Heavenly Father and become an atheist when you grew up in the church and “loved it”, thinking “it was the best thing there was”… that you even thought “God wanted you to have better as well” when it came to your choice to pursue transgenderism. Your choice is your own, I don’t agree with it but that’s my own personal belief… I am just shocked that after all of this you would deny God. Just because you go through a trial in your life doesn’t mean Heavenly Father doesn’t exist or that He doesn’t love you or that He doesn’t want you to be happy in this life. We are given trials in life to test us and make us stronger… You seem happy right now, so why aren’t you thanking God?

Jack
January 28th, 2012 at 8:13 am

People change their beliefs. It’s not uncommon. I no longer believe in God, because I prefer to base my beliefs about my surrounding world on empirical evidence. Empirical evidence tells us that when trans people transition, they become happier. Empirical evidence tells us that when people feel like they can choose their own life path, they become happier. Empirical evidence tells us that when people stop insisting to themselves that there is something wrong with them when there isn’t, well, they become happier.

I did love the Church, and I devoutly believed in God. My transition from a theist to an atheist is not so connected to the Church, though. When I left the Church, I still believed in God. It was about a year or so after that I began to examine the reasons that I believed in God, and found them to be fallacious and circumstantial. I am always willing to believe in a God if empirical evidence is found. But in the meantime? I have yet to see reliable evidence.

Andy
March 3rd, 2012 at 2:33 am

Jack, I just wanted to send a word of thanks for your message. I’m sure you know how important it is for people like you to relay your story to those still in the grips of the shame and repression imposed by these dogmas. Please, do keep up the good work.

Amanda
June 16th, 2012 at 4:01 pm

Good for you. I want you to know that there are people who support you. I’m a bisexual cis-woman, I have no idea what it’s like to feel like you’re in the wrong body, but I do what its like to feel ashamed of who you are attracted to.
I was raised Mormon, and was severely damaged by it. Thankfully not as much as my cousin, who was sexually abused by her father, a church elder, for years. And it was covered up by the bishop who wanted “to help him with his problem”, but apparently helping my cousin get out of a home where she was being raped was not a priority. I ceased to be Mormon the day I learned the real reason she ran away. Organized religion is corrupt.
I’m kinda a cross between an atheist and a pantheist now, I’m not sure what I would call myself. I sometimes joke that I’m a Saganite. Anyway, I didn’t mean to ramble. I just wanted you to know that there are people who support you, and that they don’t have to be trans themselves to support what you are doing, which is just being who you are!), but it’s revolutionary to do so! Keep it up! 😀

I’ll shut up now.

R S Leishman
January 19th, 2012 at 4:00 pm

I am appalled to read so many negative comments. This is a video about Jack’s life and Jack’s feelings. Why can’t people be happy for other people and leave it at that? Why all the self- righteous preaching? Please people just live and let live!

Great Video Jack
And hats off to you for having the balls to be true to yourself.

Beckie
January 22nd, 2012 at 2:36 am

Good on you Jack, Good on you! Really happy for you. Big hugs

Emily
March 6th, 2012 at 1:29 pm

I’m so proud of you for being so brave, Jack, and I’m so happy that you’ve found happiness. You speak with eloquence and convinction, and you make me joyful that things are getting better. I’ve shared your story with a lot of my friends.

Steve
March 9th, 2012 at 9:04 pm

Jack, thanks so much for sharing with the world in this way. Your happiness at the end of the video made my night.

Tannon
April 9th, 2012 at 12:04 am

It is sad that some LDS people have made such negative narrow-minded comments. I am LDS and i think these videos are great! Some members had told me about these videos and made them out to be extremely negative and hateful towards the church, but they aren’t at all! Everyone deserves to choose a life that makes them the most happy and best person they can be. I can’t imagine how tough it is to try to leave the church when it has been a part of your life for so long and all of your family is members. Kudos to you jack.

Luna
April 11th, 2012 at 6:47 pm

I didn’t know you were originally a girl until about half way through the video. I was actually kind of confused. I was thinking “Okay, there’s a girlfriend, but Jack’s talking about homosexuality, and that would mean he has a male partner, and how is this wrong if it’s a girlfriend,” and then I was like OOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH and then I was like, “I need to tell Michael about this.” Because I have a friend named Michael and he has a similar problem although he isn’t mormon. Or she isn’t mormon. But she asked us to call her he so Mikaela is now Michael. Yeah.

Lyman
April 25th, 2012 at 5:18 pm

Jack,

I know this video has been up for a while, but I just wanted to say that I’m happy for you. Good for you bro.

yuck
October 1st, 2012 at 9:03 pm

Any man who has 30 plus wives an then marrys two 14 year old girls is a dirty old man. Put your daughter in that postion all u members thats your so called prophet. Poor girls hope they didnt catch std’s off JS.

yuck
October 1st, 2012 at 9:13 pm

And forgot to say good for you jack start living and enjoy life

Robbie Gorman
November 24th, 2012 at 8:44 am

You know Lady in the video who thinks shes a man, u prove my point of GOD being real. God says in the last days whats WRONG will be considered RIGHT and whats RIGHT will be considered WRONG. Im not gonna personally insult you but I do have a challenge for you: Why not ask JESUS if He is real? He will answer. Try it. I did. Live your life for CHRIST not yourself.

Robbie Gorman
November 24th, 2012 at 8:44 am

Christian

Nicole Brown
January 7th, 2013 at 6:14 pm

You look like a man honey. I hope you find happiness.

Debora
January 30th, 2013 at 1:41 am

Hi Jack,

I’m sorry to hear that the church you went to couldn’t guide you on the way you feel.
I do know, however, that there’s a God, the only true God that can let you make sense out of all this.

I did find Him!

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John Elke
March 26th, 2013 at 6:39 pm

Thank you for sharing your story Jack.

Also, it’s pretty sad the godbots feel the need to comment.

Stay cool Jack.

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Jrev
June 11th, 2013 at 12:23 am

Great video…congratulations on your great decisions in life. Organized religion is the root of all evil.

Jody
July 3rd, 2013 at 9:29 pm

Jack, I’m happy that you got away from Mormonism and found yourself. An amazing story. It’s hard to throw away everything we are taught as we grow up. I’m sad that Mormonism turned you Atheist. We are all born sinners and Strive to be more like Jesus but will never make that mark. But he Loves us for who we are and He loves you too. The gospel is real. It never needed to be restored. Jesus said “It is finished” John 19:30 He died that day for you and me. Don’t think that being yourself excludes you from salvation. You were made by God and he doesn’t make mistakes. That is why he sent Jesus to die for our sins.

Rob
July 5th, 2013 at 3:17 pm

Wow this is absolutely ridiculous I can’t believe all you people are commending this man because he changed his god given body. And I don’t want any crap about there not being a god because there’s a scripture that says everything testifies there is a god and its true. If you sit down and think about things instead of turning gay and attacking all the Mormons. I’m a Mormon I’m proud to be one and in a few years I will be going on a church mission to bring willing people who will actually listen into the church. Also don’t pull that stupid your a Mormon so you can’t talk to us. Well the church isn’t a house of saints it’s a refuge for the sinner and I’m not perfect and you guys aren’t nearly perfect. Now before I’m done I’ve just got to ask. Do you guys really feel good about yourselves? Now that you’ve left the church and are tearing it down? There’s an example in the scriptures somewhere I don’t remember where but it talks about how if this church is of man then it will fall apart and we will be damned but if it be of god then it will grow and prosper and those who try to tear it down will be damned.

Well I’ll see all you non believers in our post mortal existence where you will be trembling before your creator.

Rob

tami2348
January 29th, 2015 at 9:42 pm

Rob, have you read anything that anyone has written besides what you have written? When I read your posts all I get is judgment, self-rightiousnes, limited education, and a need to be right about what you say. I feel sad for you because I am experiencing you with a narrow mind. Have you ever challenged your own testimony besides what is in the bubble or wall of the church? Based on results…you have not. Why is that? Just curious.

Taylor
August 15th, 2013 at 7:35 pm

I find myself skipping through comments just to find robs. Rob, mankind has had religion for thousands of years. You wanna know what else those thousands of years had? War. Amazing that when our race becomes more civilized, war and religion disappear at the same time. Fascinating trend. Your whole wrong will be right and right will be wrong banter is obsolete. Ya our govt has encroached way too much as we have learned how to be compassionate and loving creatures. It is related, but it doesn’t have to be. We can get rid of religion and govt, but humans haven’t gotten to that point yet. Religious people like yourself have ammunition because we have let our softness create absurd govt interference. Mankind still needs an all powerful equalizer. That I believe is our next step in social evolution. You’re part of a dying breed my friend. And you religious zealots will always go down swinging. Hence your ridiculous defensiveness.

Taylor
August 15th, 2013 at 7:37 pm

Jack I can’t wait till humans evolve enough to know how beautiful of a person you are. Keep up the good fight

Joy to Live
October 8th, 2013 at 3:44 pm

I understand your pain.

kid
October 10th, 2013 at 3:56 pm

I’m obviously very late in the commenting game, but I’ll contribute in the hopes Jack or others still check up on this thread.

I am so happy for Jack and his bravery and perseverance, and I admire those of you that have great comments to make based on fact and evidence. Sad for those of you defending your beliefs you claim are based on love, with malicious attitudes and hatred.

I have lived in Happy Valley my whole life. I realized roughly 5 or so years ago I never really believed in a God or any particular religion, but it has been refreshing reading through these posts to come across Mormons that are being genuinely kind, understanding and truly supportive of Jack and others that perhaps aren’t “conventional” by local standards.

I currently live in Provo and am not ashamed of being atheist, bisexual, brown-skinned, or anything else that sets me apart from the crowd, but at the same time I don’t really share much about myself with locals because I know how it can (and has) ended up in the past. Encountering so many supportive and understanding sentiments from religious and non-religious folk alike has me hopeful that maybe some of my neighbors, friends and family might actually be more open-minded than I’m giving them credit for, and I hope to be able to share the real me with the world very soon.

Thanks again, Jack.

T
January 18th, 2016 at 6:02 pm

I just wanted to say you more than pass, I didnt have a clue you were transgender until you stated it in your video. Also congratulations on embracing your true sex :)

Trevan
February 25th, 2016 at 8:05 am

True gender is what you meant. But, yeah good for them.

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